Once again I tackle the rhythm beast, and make a little progress there...
Saturday and Sunday - I actually have some time to do a little work on this piece of music.
Looking back at the comments, it seems like the weakest point are the drums. Oh, I just have to get this off my chest: I don't seem to be able to come up with a damn decent drum part by myself. Let me be specific: I can do OK with electronic grooves that don't have to pretend that they are played by a real drummer. Plus I find on the ER1 its a great help to have the effects, really gives more swing than any of the quantizing programs I have used, software or hardware for that matter.
But like a real, flesh and blood drummer? That is a whole different ballgame. As I said, the comments on the drums made me listen to them again, and I didn't really like what I heard all that much, sounded kinda mechanical I guess, so I begin my search thru the literally thousands of midi drum files I have to see if something fits.
Now it would be easy if all these files were set up the same way, but that is not the case so I spend some time on each getting them set so that they will come out on the right track and with a normal drum kit. This makes everything take so much more time for the first crack, but its worth it later.
I spend quite a bit of time on this, more than I would like to think about. Finally I find something labelled as a bossa nova beat. Nothing could be much farther from the truth, but there it is and it works, especially on the refrain, where there is a bit of a rhymthic shift. I play around a bit with the drum kit I am using, and do some deep listening.
That was pretty much all I was able to accomplish on Satruday. Sad, ain't it?
Sunday I am back at it, this time searching for a beat for the verse section. Its another long slog. I finally come on something from a set of hip hop midi files I actually bought (!) and this works fairly well, considering its being slowed down from 160 to 120 BPM.
Again I have to play round with the drum kits - I have been fairly hooked on the XL7 kits from the Pure Phatt Rom, but I think its time to dig in and do some programming on them. For the moment, I am happy with how this kit sounds, with the possible exception of the kick; it could also be that the kick needs to be moved back a few ticks, but I tried that once and it just didnt do it. I did however write some cymbal and snare variations. You can listen to the new mix by clicking here and judge for yourself. Once again I would remind you this is on a slow server, probably better to just save it locally. I finally tried to find an intro drum beat. but ended up just writing some cymbals, which give the intro a lighter feel.
I also was playing around with the refrain, and added a bit of a repetitive synth part. Again I will have to work on the sound of this part a bit, but I think it works well. Like in a lot of my music, I am trying not to crowd things up, and make the melodies work as part of the rythmic scheme also.
Back to my main question - how bad is it not to write your own drum parts? Am I just giving myself some stress that doesn't count? I used to do this same sort of thing with samples that I ran thru Recycle, but these weren't as flexible as simply having the midi notes. And maybe I am beating myself up too much: all those years that I played in bands, I never troubled myself with trying to write drum parts, I mean, that is what the drummers are there for, right?
Still, after all these years of cutting up loops and using every tool I can think of, it just doesn't seem right that I can't whip up the beat I want to, no sweat.
So what do you think about this???
Me? I sweat it out, most of the time refusing to use anything but my own. There are, of course, the occasions when I use a loop underneath my glorious creative beast of a beat (ppptthfff!!), but all in all, I make sure I am being 100% original. Sometimes I handwrite DR:REX loops in the Reason sequencer using the beat samples as drum samples (works pretty spiff most of the time).
I'll get back to this later with more ramblings - gotta go now.
Yaaagg! OK, I am a wimp then. So you are sequencing them in RedRum? I was using that for awhile, and its a great drum sequencer. I have been trying to use the one in the XL7 and its great but its not as easy IMHO as the Reason one.
I will look forward to whatever other comments on how the song is sounding now.
Thx!
Oh yeah, about the song. That beat is good! But, the hihat work still needs more consistency. I like the hihat samples, tho!
Posted by: Will on June 25, 2004 05:55 AMCool, I will give more a listen to the hats then.
Thx!